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subject: "I screwed up the B+ brackets"

TOM
visiting commissioner

Jun 05, 2009
11:46 AM

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It was brought to my attn that Rejects (and not Signal) should be the #5 seed in that division. This is accurate based on the PD in the games played between those 3 teams (Bad Boyz, Signal, Rejects).

Therefore, Rejects will play Diesel and should have first choice of game slot and they take 9:50 WED. This displaced Storm, who would have the next choice so they cannot play MON and take 8:40 WED. This displaces Signal (now playing Spalding) who must now choose between 7:00 TUE at PT#2 or 7:30 MON at LFF#4.

I am waiting on their reply and will update the schedule when I get it.

wow

Jun 05, 2009
12:37 PM


;	even though Signal won the h2h matchup?

TOM
league commissioner

Jun 05, 2009
1:25 PM


;	Yes, teams should be ranked 1-8, not 5-8. I can`t rank the top half one way and the bottom half another way. Anyhow, it all worked out - correct schedule and brackets are now up.

Allen
Signal
coach

Jun 05, 2009
6:57 PM


;	Tom: I will state my case for public scrutiny: Rejects are not the higher seed! At least according to your rule as follows: Step One: 1-4 from each division go to "A" playoffs where in top bracket is 1E v 4W, 2W v 3E...bottom bracket is 1W v 4E, 2E v 3W. Step Two: 5-8 from each division go to "B+" playoff, same format as above, 5E v 8W...." There are two separate but distinct steps. Step One: Separate A teams from B+ teams Step Two: Seed teams Since BadBoyz are NOT in the B+ division they cannot be included in the seeding formula. The only way there is a "three way tie" is if BadBoyz had not made the cut to A but instead were included in the B+ division. Reading the rule there are two very separate acts; 1. decide which teams play in A and which teams play in B+ then 2. after the divisions have been separated complete the seeding for each division. This is not a seeding for A and B+, it is separate seeding for A and another seeding for B+.

that`s irrational

Jun 05, 2009
7:03 PM


;	the only way bad boyz got that A seed is because of the 3 way tie seeding rules. you can`t seed them into A one way and then seed you guys and Rejects according to a different set of parameters. it`s open league and every team is ranked 1-8 at the end of the season for a reason. i understand what you`re trying to say, and you can make a case for it like you have, but in the end, it`s been in plain sight that brackets are divisions are formed AFTER seeding has been established.

this bs

Jun 05, 2009
7:43 PM


;	rejects u know who beat u on the feild but u tryin 2 cheat on a tecnicality jus act like men or go play coed

TO: that`s irrational

Jun 05, 2009
8:06 PM


;	You need to understand the difference between seeding and separating brackets. Seeding is what is done after you decide the division.

that`s irrational

Jun 05, 2009
8:18 PM


;	now you`re just making up rules. nowhere does it say that seeding is done after you decide the division. it`s unfortunate for you guys, but that`s the way it is, the way it has been, and if it`s bs, then vote to change it next season. ultimately, this season`s playoffs is/was up to tom`s discretion as commissioner, and i`m sure he`ll use this as a precedent for future seasons to come.

TO: that`s irrational

Jun 05, 2009
8:31 PM


;	I guess you need to be informed that all rules are made up, rules don`t just exist. So in your fantasy world when the divisions (look up that word) are selected before a season, to you, that is seeding. This shows your ignorance of how teams are separated into divisions. That is not seeding, we might as well group East and West and B and then decide who plays whom.

that`s irrational

Jun 05, 2009
8:51 PM


;	okay look. ignorance of what exactly? answer this, the teams are separated into divisions based on what? teams are grouped into an open division, and then what, may i ask, causes them to magically shift into A and B+ divisions for the playoffs? we didn`t arbitrarily choose for the Bad Boyz to show up in A, they had to be seeded at #4 before they were put in A, above the Rejects and Signal. There was a system for that, with clearly stated rules saying that avPD would determine ranking in case of a 3 way tie. There is nothing there that mentions that after the last spot for A playoffs goes to a team that was a part of a 3 way tie, that we just forget about the original seeding constraints. Am I saying this is right? No, I`m not, it`s a ** up in the system, and I hope it`s changed in the future, just like how real ** ups happen in real sports and how it takes a while for people to change them.

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