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subject: ""A" league team "

B guy

Oct 11, 2005
6:55 PM

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Whats up with these Coyotes? Never played before, get hammered by the NOVA`s, and except for a hiccup against Kerns...have been MORE than respectable taking My Plumber, the Sharks and Lazy to the end and whuppin the Rhinos. Are they that good or is the difference between A and B not as great as everyone thinks????

a-b-c

Oct 11, 2005
7:09 PM


;	a-b-c the talent levels are all close dont let anyone fool you,

Old guy

Oct 11, 2005
7:15 PM


;	I agree...sorta. I think there is more talent in A, but all the offenses are stale/copy My Plumber (except NOVAs)with nothing but posts/outs/flys, and the defenses all play soft zone (except Lions). B seems more creative. I think there is a lot more speed and better flag pulling in A though. We will see how the Coyotes do agains the Lions...MUCH different beast than what they have gotten used to. Hats off to a great first season though.

Vet

Oct 12, 2005
5:13 AM


;	Play in A for a season, then see if you can make the same judgements. The offenses are stale??? You`re on crack or just haven`t watched many games. Plumber`s been the frickin` state champs or close for years and that "stale" offense seems to work pretty good...they`d put up an easy 20 or 30 on just about any B team. Soft zones?? It may look that way, but all the players are quicker to the ball and the pass rushing is bigger and faster....those "creative" offenses in B would break down in A. Don`t look at scores and records...Plumber seems to play to the level of their opponent, Kerns doesn`t get their players out every week, Lazy is injured and playing with back-up QB`s, Nova`s is like Kerns....can beat anyone when they field their regulars, Rhinos had a great Spring team but most of those guys seem to be missing, Vienna is battling but undermanned, Coyotes have speed but holes on D, the Lions are working through injuries but appear to have found success with their spread offense, and the Sharks are consistent and experienced. SO stop kidding yourselves...or move up.

a-b-c

Oct 12, 2005
8:00 AM


;	facts are man for man at any level a-c they are just as strong fast smart it just depends on the team,reality a great qb can make a entire team good.any given day at this level any team can beat any team.oh im sorry i have to cry and say we have hurt players and that is why we lost.

honest

Oct 12, 2005
8:31 AM


;	Be real - there is a huge difference between the levels. But I am sure the big boys would love to entertain some fresh meat this spring. MOVE UP!!!

a-b-c

Oct 12, 2005
8:43 AM


;	you must of had a friend to get you on a team like the rest of us,fresh meat?there are big,strong,fast at b c levels that could easily be top 20 in a,trust me your not that good because the real players dont talk about it

Lions 52

Oct 12, 2005
8:57 AM


;	I think that the step up from the A league to the B League is a lot bigger then you might think. The size and speed of the players are a major factor. I know that when we made the jump from A to B we had the basic same core player that we have now. It was the little things about flag football that we did not understand. How to managing the game and clock, pulling flags, set plays on offense that involved everyone on the field. Not just one and two man routs. But the biggest adjustment was coming up with a defense that can cover the long-ball, take away the slant and still be able to cover the linemen in the flats. They don’t do this any more but the top 4 seeds from the B League would play in the A league playoffs, from what I remember. That was a good way to measure just how good or bad we were.

Correction

Oct 12, 2005
9:16 AM


;	Speed I can agree on, as a whole the A league does have faster/quicker players. as far as size I don`t think there is any difference, Nova`s had an average or below average sized team and it`s correct to say that if there all together they can beat any given team, my plumber has an average height of 6 foot players, some in better shape then others and again it`s a team that knows how to play together, Lions do not have a big team either, as a matter a fact they have a vertically challenged player that attempts or does measure up with the rest of the league, lions picked up some additional height this season only...enough rambling, size no difference, speed yes

Old Guy

Oct 12, 2005
9:18 AM


;	Well, it looks to me that B teams did move up, and have done well. AND a team that has NEVER PLAYED BEFORE has done well...not sure about dropping an easy 20-30 points on anyone. I just think with just a little creativity one of the A teams would become dominant, thats all. Look at the Lions defense: it is different, and because no one has learned to adjust to it, dominant. Whatever...not trying to start yet another messageboard frenzy, just making a harmless observation. Talentwise, there is no comparison, esp when it comes to depth of talent.

Good point

Oct 12, 2005
9:44 AM


;	I agree its definitely a difference in speed, organization and good flag pulling. But there is a difference. No B team is doing well in the A league. The solid A teams are doing there thing: Sharks/ Plumber/ Lions/ Novas/ Sundae/ Kerns Everyone else is truly a B team and does not belong with this group.

Lions 52

Oct 12, 2005
9:49 AM


;	That last statement was wrong. I meant to say the combination of size with speed. Myplumber has some offensive linemen that can run and they will also put you on your back. Same thing goes for Lazy, Sharks, Kerns and a lot of the other A League teams. That’s all that I am saying. btw, I’m the vertically challenged player on the Lions. hahahah.

Sausage

Oct 12, 2005
10:19 AM


;	Ok ok... I have to enter this discussion now. I have seen some A league games, and we (a C league team because it`s our first year) have just as much speed as anyone. We have a guy that holds a few college track records (and yes, he can play ball), and at least 4/5 other guys that aren`t that much behind him. We thought about going to a zone defense after seeing some other teams have some success with it, but heck, we can man-up and shut other teams down like few other teams. I`ve seen our flag pulling getting better each week. Now do I think we could move up to the A league and do well? No. But it`s not because of talent. We are still working on our playbook, putting players in their best positions, and our defensive schemes. In other words, we`re just not as organized as A teams -- And organization is a BIG deal. We have done well so far in our first year, and believe we`re as good as anyone in the C league. Next year we`ll take our show to the B league and continue to refine. If we don`t lose any players, and our organization continues, we`ll see you A league-ers the following year. What`s my point? Don`t go thinking your in the A league just because you`re faster or more "athletic." Well organized "slow" team (as long as their not TOO slow of course) will beat a bunch of athletic guys that just step on the field and "play" with no plan any day.

Sausages

Oct 12, 2005
10:26 AM


;	You are smoking some serious crack.....

WOW

Oct 12, 2005
10:38 AM


;	If people want a shot at the A leaguers - we welcome all. The Ballers and the Coyotes are having a great time the last time I checked. Remember that word "Organization" that people tend to throw around-well that`s a HUGE piece of success for the A teams. That word takes YEARS to develop. So underestimate what the A league is about, I am sure the commisioners won`t mind taking your $900. I know the A league teams will welcome your involvement.

hey sausage

Oct 12, 2005
11:06 AM


;	hey man, what is your team`s name so we can watch your progress. it will be interesting to see your team`s rise to glory. it can be done so i am not being sarcastic. i will tell you this though, you may think you have enough speed to go into the a league and cover/shut down any teams wr`s, but you are sorely mistaken. ask any team in a this year, or any team that has played at states for the past 10 years, and they will tell you this, there is NO team that has enough "skilled" db`s, not fast db`s, to cover all the wr`s on any team. PERIOD.

Sausage

Oct 12, 2005
11:25 AM


;	"Vienna Sausages" is our team. And I`m not talking **** that we can kick everyone`s ass. We have a long way to go. All I`m saying is that I think we have the talent to progress well, as long as we can continue to get more organized each week. For instance, our first loss (7-0) was the first time we saw a zone defense. We were caught completely off-guard as our whole playbook was built for a man-to-man defense. As for your comment on man-to-man shutting down other teams. I am not so naive to believe we can shut EVERY team down man-to-man. We have two zone schemes ready to go, but we just haven`t needed to use them yet. Our two losses were 7-0 and 14-12 (the first one was the game I mentioned earlier, and we were short-handed for the second). I am sure we will need our zone defenses soon enough. And I agree with you that "speed" does not necessarily make you a good cover man (but it is necessary). Keep an eye on us. I hope we can live up to the expectations I have for our team.

Lions 52

Oct 12, 2005
11:57 AM


;	If it helps any, we play a match up man/zone mix. it is a bit more complex then straight man or straight zone, but it works. We will keep an eye on your progress. We started in the C League too. Lions 52

key is....

Oct 12, 2005
12:04 PM


;	don`t get locked into playing the same defense. usually when there is a shutout in flag football it is more a product of bad offense than good defense. this is an offensive game so if you can vary your scheme and be creative defensively you can be effective, but be warned when you play a good offensive team they most likely will score points, the key is to limit the points. think bend but don`t break. case in point; the lions vs. my plumber the other night, the lions have a terrific defense but i watched my plumber methodically move the ball at will, they just came up short on the last drive of the game/lions played a great last series. also, for the guy who said that my plumber`s offense is stale, have you ever watched them? i totally disagree, granted i have seen them run some basic routes and stuff, but they are creative too. they aren`t out there with a spread "o" like the lions, but if you watch them they spread the ball around and use every player on the field to gain yards. and their qb can run. and if need be they have some pretty good athletes who can make plays too.

N/A

Oct 12, 2005
12:40 PM


;	Dave- Always trying to help the new guys, guess it`s the coach in you (LOL). Atleast give it to them straight (we have always played A since we started in 01).

Question for Sausage

Oct 12, 2005
12:43 PM


;	did you guys win your last two games or were they forfeits?

Sausage

Oct 12, 2005
1:09 PM


;	Won them both 14-0. Yeah, a little strange. Totally agree with you (both) on the defensive comments. In my mind, this is all a part of the "organization" that I/we hope will come with time. We add new stuff to our gameplan every week, but it still takes time for everyone to get comfortable enough with the new stuff that we can add even more new stuff. And since we`re not able to practice that much, we have to add stuff in small doses.

Correction

Oct 12, 2005
1:10 PM


;	Pancake maker- we started our first season in B and then we always played in A. Our first season we were 10-1 in the B.

Sef 81

Oct 12, 2005
1:13 PM


;	Take a step up in the spring and then your next one in the fall if you`re happy with your teams progression. Or you can go straight to A league in the spring and gauge from there if you want to play A or B next fall.

Lions

Oct 12, 2005
1:14 PM


;	who just called me out??? i thought that we didnt start playing A until 03. I think it was 03 that was the year that we were in B and ended up having to play in the A playoffs. then the next year we moved up to A. I think that is how it went for us. I think that 01 and 02 you were the PTP`ers with those nasty yellow jerseys!!! I was not on the team then. That has to be you Jason. How is the knee after going under the knife?

Sef 81

Oct 12, 2005
1:15 PM


;	I hope better than me. My knee still hurts.

Keeping It Real

Oct 12, 2005
1:26 PM


;	Note to N/A (and Dave): Get YOUR facts straight. The Lions started out in B League in `01 before moving up to A in 2003. FYI

HellsKitchn

Oct 12, 2005
1:52 PM


;	Who is disrespecting Vienna in the C league? Give us a name here. Where did you guys go to school?

Back to the question

Oct 12, 2005
5:34 PM


;	So are the Coyotes that good, or is the difference that small? Did they magically get organized in one week? Or do they have insane athletes? Just curious more than anything. Maybe they played in another league.

marry

Oct 12, 2005
6:22 PM


;	again nobody cares about the lions!

Sef 81

Oct 12, 2005
7:43 PM


;	Not taking anything away from the Coyotes, They are a very athletic team, but the Rhinos didn`t have a lot of thier key players.

JESUS

Oct 12, 2005
7:49 PM


;	It`s so funny- are there people out there that just love to fire away whenever the Lions name comes on the board. They are an A team and people discuss teams on this board! Ok- can you haters deal with that? Did the coach cut you guys? Why are so many of you angry? Or are you just jealous? If non of the above apply - just deal with it. There are many teams in the A league and they are all talked about. DEAL WITH IT!!! Or don`t read the board. GROW UP!!

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